For a piano to hold a stable tuning, it’s essential that the tuning pins are tight. While there are other factors (such as fluctuations in humidity) which have an impact on the longevity of a tuning, a tuning pin which is loose to the point where it slips and turns in its hole will cause the individual note involved to sound horribly out of tune. Your piano is tending to go quickly out of tune in part because of loose tuning pins. One treatment to consider is to apply CA (cyanoacrylate) glue around each tuning pin where it meets the pinblock.
The following commonly asked questions have been answered to give you the information you need in order to decide whether or not to have me treat the pinblock of your piano with CA glue:
Are loose tuning pins caused by a defect in my piano or is it something that just happens as a piano ages?
On an older piano the problem most likely is caused by a pinblock that has gradually been losing moisture content over the years. This is a natural process which is difficult to prevent entirely, although keeping the humidity level of your home at a comfortable level during periods of dry weather will help prevent a rapid worsening of the situation.
If your piano is new and has loose pins, it is a situation that should be brought to the attention of the dealer, in that it could be a warranty issue.
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Tuning Pins
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Cast Iron Plate
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Laminated Pinblock
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Pivot Points
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Tuning Pin Bushings
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Tuning Pins
The pinblock is made hardwood, in this case hard rock maple. Its lamination’s run cross grain to each other to prevent splitting, and to better hold the tuning pins. The pinblock is not ordinarily visible, but is hidden beneath the cast iron plate, which is necessary to hold the tremendous tension on the strings, measuring anywhere from 18 to 20+ tons for the piano as a whole..
The holes for the tuning pins are drilled into the pinblock with a drill bit approximately 1/100 of an inch smaller than the pins. After the holes are drilled, the pins are pounded in and are tight, usually having a torque of 120 inch pounds or more. Tuning a piano which has been newly pinned is a lot of work! The noticeable slant of the pins, by the way, is away from the pull of the strings, much in the same way that tent stakes are driven with a slant away from a tent.
As the piano ages, the pinblock typically loosens up as the wood loses some of its original moisture content. Pins in an older piano will almost always feel quite a bit looser than on a new piano. When the torque on pins drops down below 20 or 30 inch pounds, slipping of the pins may start to be noticed. Your piano has reached that point.
Why does application of CA glue improve pin tightness?
The reason that CA improves the torque of the pins has less to do with the gluing properties of the liquid, and more to do with the fact that the CA acts to swell and stiffen the wood fibers around the pins. Capillary action pulls the liquid down and around the pin where it quickly acts to improve the tightness felt by the tuner when the hammer is placed on the tuning pin and the pin is turned.
How exactly will the treatment be accomplished?
With a vertical piano, it is sometimes necessary to lay the piano on its back to prevent the CA treatment from running down the cast iron plate. If tilting the piano is called for, a piano tilter will be used to safely tip the piano backwards. To make the job go more quickly, it is helpful if any furniture directly in front of the piano be moved out of the way.
Once the piano is readied, the CA will be applied with a small diameter applicator around each tuning pin. Ordinarily, it will take more than one pass to reach the saturation point. Once the CA quits wicking in, the process is done.
Sometimes if the tuning pin bushing is very tight, it may be necessary to drill a tiny hole through each bushing to allow the liquid to seep down to the pinblock. The drill in the photo to the left measures a mere .025", small enough to drill a hole in the thin wooden bushing surrounding each tuning pin. By drilling this hole, the liquid can better penetrate to where it’s needed.
Are there other remedies for this problem?
Certainly. There are a number of methods of treating loose pins, which vary widely in cost due to a huge difference in the amount of time required and the cost of the materials involved. For both uprights and grands, the most complicated procedure involves the total replacement of the pins, strings and pinblock. The time required to perform this procedure is measured in days or even weeks, so it’s not a job to be entered into without considering the value of the instrument. For many pianos, the much less costly procedure of treating the pinblock with CA glue makes sense, in that measurable improvement may be made at a reasonable cost.
My piano has so many tuning pins! Would it save money if I just had you only treat the pins that were the loosest?
Not really. To do that, I would first need to go through the piano with a torque wrench to identify the worst offenders, mark them, and apply the CA treatment to those pins while avoiding the others. It is much more efficient to treat them all.
Besides that, if even just a few pins are showing symptoms of a pinblock that is not holding well, more will eventually follow. Thankfully, the problem can be remedied. The key to keeping your piano in good condition is having expert maintenance done on a regular schedule and making the needed piano repair when required. With improved pin tightness, the tuning stability of your piano should be enhanced, making it more of a pleasure to play between tunings.
Thanks for your fantastic CA article.
1- How can I know if it s need to make the drill?
2- How often it has beeing needed to drill them in all your repairs with CA?
3- My piano is 70 years old, and it s in good shape…. should I go straigth for the drill option?
Thnaks in advance for you answer.
Oswaldo Schmitt
Brazil
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It’s interesting to know that a piano will have to be oriented in a different way when diagnosing problems with it. I’m thinking about getting a piano tuning service soon because I’d like to make sure that my piano is still working properly and it’s not just that my ears are playing tricks on me. I’m not music major but I can really tell that my piano sounds off.
I have a Stultz & Bauer upright grand that was built in 1907. My folks got into my piggy bank when I was a year old in 1962 and gave some friends of theirs $75 for the piano. It was a bit rough looking with about half of the ivories on the keys were missing, the exposed surface rough and scarred from where the glue/wood had been attached. I tinkered around on it in my early childhood years, then started piano lessons from a high school kid who was a truly gifted pianist, whose name is easily recognized all these many years later with his ongoing affiliation with the famed school of music known as Juilliard. His name is Kenneth Merrill. My cousin Rhonda was the first student of our family then I followed shortly thereafter. I always thought Kenneth made it look so darn easy, and he still does.
I don’t read music very much these days, playing nearly entirely by ear, the way I picked out “Jesus Loves Me” when I wasn’t even tall enough to see the keys. There’s old photos that show me up on my tippy toes, trying to reach the keys. Too bad there was no such thing as a video camera for personal use.
After many years of playing with the missing ivories, the feel of the individual keys set in my mind and memory, I found it difficult after the folks had it rebuilt, ivories replaced, felts replaced, a couple of broken hammers replaced, a few strings replaced and a major tuning followed by another touch up about a month later. I was gone in the military at that time. It stayed in great general condition until recently when a water line in the downstairs part of their house burst while they were at church one Sunday morning and flooded the basement. Needless to say, the outfit sent by the insurance company for taking care of all the water damage worked tirelessly for over a month, removing then replacing the various parts of the structure, the dehumidifiers lined up like army men, their nonstop humming seeming to reach to the far remote corners of the planet. They eventually accomplished what they set out to do, and the folks got back to their normal retired lives.
It’s now been 5 years since the flood and I was out there with my tuning set about a week before Christmas 2020 making a diligent effort to get the piano back in tune, then discovered that the bass tuning pins were backing off slightly, them all becoming flat of course. I inspected the entire internal composition and found basically nothing else out of order or in need of attention, other than the loosening pins. Being a certified welder I drew up the plans for fabrication of a stand that I can position the piano on its back for the procedure, with only a very minimal investment in materials. I’ll keep you posted as to how it all turns out.